Best Craps Roll In History
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Craps History Rolling dice and betting on the outcome is one of the oldest forms of gambling. Though countless different dice games have existed over the past few hundred years, craps is the most popular dice game played today in casinos and private games across the United States. Borgata Casino officials said that her roll beat the previous mark of 3 hours, 6 minutes set nearly 20 years ago at a Las Vegas casino. Demauro bought into a craps game with $100 at about 8 pm and quickly drew a large crowd of cheering supporters. When Demauro eventually “sevened out” about 12:30 am, she was given a champgne toast. The Fujitake roll is the holy grail of craps legend, and those who witnessed it liken it to being present for the Buffalo Bills 32-point comeback to beat the Houston Oilers in a 1993 playoff game. Atlantic City (and Borgata) are known for their dice action. I will go out on a limb to say that the best craps games in the United States are still in Atlantic City, with Borgata being perhaps one of the best places to play dice. This seems to have not affected the decision of Patricia Demauro, to stand at the Craps table for the second time in her life, and take a roll or two. Patricia is the protagonist of our story. What started as a beginner’s luck, soon turned into one of the longest Craps rolls in history. This lady managed to throw the dice 154 times in a row.
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So, I have here some results from my DI experiments. I can't figure out how to upload a screenshot of my spreadsheet so I will just type them out. First off, let me describe the table I was using. I purchased one of these mini crap table sections ala amazon here. /Practice-Craps-Table/dp/B00NZ65S5S/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1464396443&sr=8-4&keywords=craps+table $130 is kind of expensive for what is essentially rubber and felt glued to some wood, but it is the best I could do. The table is very hard, which is good. You want the dice to deposit as much energy as they can on that initial bounce before they touch the back wall.
So, let's talk about the Come Out rolls. 279 total rolls have been executed, using a seven-set. Here are the stats:
SEVEN 51
ELEVEN 19
TWO 5
THREE 18
TWELVE 9
FOUR 20
FIVE 24
SIX 40
EIGHT 39
NINE 33
TEN 21
SRR: 5.470 (The math states 6.00 is the probability)
Percent of Sevens rolled: 18.279% (The math states 16.666% is the probability)
Not bad. But not enough rolls have been executed yet in my opinion
Here are the rolls once a point was established. For this, I was varying between a hardway set with the Two's on top and the Four's facing you, and another hardway set with the One's on top and the Five's facing you. I'll explain this later. 647 rolls have been executed
TWO 18
THREE 40
FOUR 57
FIVE 70
SIX 80
EIGHT 91
NINE 66
TEN 62
ELEVEN 41
TWELVE 18
SEVEN 104
Percent Sevens Rolled (The math states 16.666% is the probability)
16.074%
SRR (The math states 6.00 is the probability)
6.2211538462
Based on this article, one only needs an SRR of 6.16 to overcome the house edge on the Place 6/8 bet. /games/craps/appendix/4/
Now let me talk about the rolling process and my results in the Casino
As far as the Casino goes, you need to find a table that is very hard and not cushy. Likewise, bigger, lighter dice are better than smaller, denser dice. The reason for this is that you want the dice to deposit as most energy as possible on the initial bounce and attempt to have the dice just 'kiss' the back wall. A hard table translates to more energy transferred when the dice hit. Lighter dice mean less power is needed to toss them down the table. I haven't done too much surveying of table's in Las Vegas, but I have found that Joker's Wild is a decently hard table with favorable dice.
That brings me to my time in the Casino: Inconclusive. I haven't held the dice long enough to make any even preliminary judgements. I frequent low-minimum Craps tables, which are by definition attractive because of there frugality. Although, the results do look optimistic. I placed a huge Don't Come bet and set the dice with the one's on top and the two's facing me, to give the best chance to roll Craps and win. I threw the dice perfectly. Perfect axis, they flew through the air perfectly, hit the table and just 'kissed' the back wall. ACES! I went a little over the top with my cheering, but still awesome none the less. Just last week the same occurrence happened. This time, I rolled ace's twice in a row, winning the DC on the spot both times. From a subjective point of view, I can 'feel' myself getting into the zone. I made four points that same day before finally sevening out. The dilemma remains; was it do to favorable variance, or to an actual advantage?
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On the come out rolls you had 51 sevens out of 279 rolls. The expected number of sevens is 46.5. A standard deviation is 6.22 sevens. So, you're 0.72 standard deviations ahead of expectations. The probability of results that good or better, using the Gaussian approximation, is 76.5%.
On the other rolls you had 104 sevens out of 647 rolls. The expected sevens is 107.83. A standard deviation is 9.48 sevens. So, you're 0.40 standard deviations ahead of expectations. The probability of results that good or better, using the Gaussian approximation, is 65.7%.
Maybe somebody else will come along and do a perfect binomial analysis. However, I think this is sufficient to show that while you're beating the averages, it could easily be just random variation.
Thank you for bringing some data to this topic, which is seldom done.
On the come out rolls you had 51 sevens out of 279 rolls. The expected number of sevens is 46.5. A standard deviation is 6.22 sevens. So, you're 0.72 standard deviations ahead of expectations. The probability of results that good or better, using the Gaussian approximation, is 76.5%.
On the other rolls you had 104 sevens out of 647 rolls. The expected sevens is 107.83. A standard deviation is 9.48 sevens. So, you're 0.40 standard deviations ahead of expectations. The probability of results that good or better, using the Gaussian approximation, is 65.7%.
Maybe somebody else will come along and do a perfect binomial analysis. However, I think this is sufficient to show that while you're beating the averages, it could easily be just random variation.
And generally speaking this is what is difficult for dice influencers to pull off, a big enough sample to rule out 'good luck' with a high-level of certainty. Takes quite a bit of time to roll the dice to create large samples.
Looking at 104 sevens in 647 rolls, this is less than 1/2 SD better than expected and can be attributed to luck. However if you were able to keep this up by rolling 10400 sevens in 64700 rolls then that would be significant (4.04 SDs). This is why there need to be a lot of consistent rolls before you can mathematically suggest a bias.
Personally I'd suggest if you can show 3SDs for both throwing more sevens when wanting them and less when not, then you're onto something. The number of rolls necessary will depend on how much bias there is before the difference becomes significant.
Who knows, you might be the next person to roll 18 yo's in a row and we wouldn't want to miss that.
http://www.amazon.com/Practice-Craps-Table/dp/B00NZ65S5S?ie=UTF8&keywords=craps%20table&qid=1464427365&ref_=sr_1_4&sr=8-4
the other link evidently,
http://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/4/
It's hard to have enough trials in these things. Considering that so far variance explains what you've done, 10,000 or in that magnitude will probably not give reasonable certainty, you may have to do 100,000 or in that area, maybe more.
This goes without saying, but don't drink when you try to throw dice. It can be tempting to grab a drink at the table while you wait for the dice to make it back to you. My and my dad broke out the Craps rig and had some brews last night to see what we could accomplish. Horrible! Even after a single beer, I could feel my motor skills becoming clouded and found it quite difficult to shoot according to protocol. I didn't record the results because we knew that we were impaired and likewise would not repeat such a thing at a casino if we were serious about DI.
I will continue the experiment, and keep you updated on the results. Once 2,000 rolls have been executed, I think we will have a better sample. 10,000 rolls sounds better, but shooting the dice that many times will take quite an amount of time.
Here are the rolls once a point was established.
647 rolls have been executed
TWO 18
THREE 40
FOUR 57
FIVE 70
SIX 80
EIGHT 91
NINE 66
TEN 62
ELEVEN 41
TWELVE 18
SEVEN 104
Percent Sevens Rolled (The math states 16.666% is the probability)
16.074%
SRR (The math states 6.00 is the probability)
6.2211538462
Based on this article, one only needs an SRR of 6.16 to overcome the house edge on the Place 6/8 bet. /games/craps/appendix/4/
104
7 outs
SIX 80
EIGHT 91
that = 171 wins
you have the edge you say
<<< >>>
place the 6 and 8 for $6 each
you still have the edge
according to that article (super-large flaw I see in that article)
ok
now,
lose $12
104 times for a loss = -$1248
you won $7 each time
$7 times 171 = 1197 in winnings
looks like your edge is a loser
-$51
or is it a winner for the house??
you have to know your dice distribution probabilities
to know your edge on craps bets
imo,
either use WinCraps or Bonetracker (Excel)
not Smart Craps as that (yep)
program keeps your distribution a secret from you
(and i suggest you keep your money and not buy that program unless it is free for your to have and try.)
it wants you to trust it
sweet
back to your drawing boardi due say
have fun
some like rolling the dice
Sally
Some Craps players claim they can affect the outcome of a dice throw by a technique known as Rhythm Rolling. If you can truly perfect this technique you'll be rich beyond your wildest dreams. Read on to find out more...
Craps players must 'shoot' the dice the length of a Craps table and off a textured backboard so that they rebound before coming to rest. These rules are meant to prevent controlled throws that change the odds of specific numbers being rolled. It would only take a slight change in these odds to tilt the bias of the game into the shooter's favour.
It is a fact that dice can be controlled in the private game, but under casino conditions it becomes a much more complex prospect.
Why Rhythm Rolling?
Players are said to develop a rhythm of holding and throwing the dice in the same set way, consistently. Hence the name Rhythm Rolling.
The Rhythm Rolling Technique
The essence of the technique is to give a false rattle of the dice using the Lock Grip, while holding specific numbers together using the Dice Setting technique, and to get the dice to spin like a wheel around one axis when travelling through the air to the backboard, and then not to let the dice turn on the other axis on the rebound. That's a pretty tall order.
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This cartwheel motion of the dice will eliminate two sides of each die from landing face up and so totally changes the odds. If the dice are picked up and held in a Lock Grip then the sides of each dice facing each other and the two opposite sides can be prevented from coming up.
It would be a good idea to practice this in your own time. The technique of spinning the dice around one axis is definitely achievable. The rebound off the backboard is the problem. It is possible to purchase the back-rail material privately, and if you want to perfect this technique it would be a good idea to do this, so you can practice freely. If you can somehow get free access to a professional Craps table, even better. Either way, be prepared to spend some considerable time practising your shots before you try them out with real money.
Grips
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There are many different 'grips' (ways to hold the two dice with your fingers), but the only ones you really need are the Lock GripandBlanket Roll Grip. You can find allsorts of other fancy grips described on Craps websites, with fancy sounding names and peculiar-looking finger positions that are all supposed to have their advantages, like reducing skin friction and so on. None of them are superior to the very natural looking and feeling Lock Grip and proven Blanket Roll Grip. These grips allow you to set the dice inconspicuously and then throw them with the spin you want, to prevent the outer/inner values landing face-up .
Release/Shooting/Throwing
Let the dice 'roll' from your hand as you toss them with the right force to just reach the back-rail. The dice should be already turning as you open your hand to release them and let them 'spin' through the air to the backboard. The essential skill is to keep your hand and the dice horizontal and parallel with the Craps table's top and not to have too much of a rebound.
When throwing the dice, lean over the front of the table as far as you can and reach your arm out to its full extent. This is to reduce the distance the dice travel through the air. Remember, the dice should fly to the backboard, don't let the dice bounce across the table. You want to develop your throwing technique so that the dice have enough momentum to hit the back-rail but not bounce back too hard.
If you know Craps odds, then you know the shooter has a 1.41% disadvantage. This means you only need to get around two controlled throws right out of about 100 to tilt the odds back into your favour. And of course, your going to have to make smart bets that don't have a significant House edge. See good Craps play for a guide to the kind of bets you should and shouldn't make.
Final Tips on Controlled Shooting
Make sure your hand is dry and not sweaty. You can keep some chalk dust discreetly in your pocket to ensure this. Keep your thumb out of the way of the dice when you release them. And try and make your throwing technique seem natural and not controlled. You won't be prosecuted for controlling dice throws, but a casino can refuse your custom if they want, and they may well do so if they think you are successfully influencing the dice. Lastly, remember to practice and practice until you're confident about your ability. Only then should you gamble your hard cash at the casino tables.
The 'Flying V' Dice Set
A commonly cited way to set the dice, when Rhythm Rolling or using the Blanket Roll, is to hold the two dice with the 3s facing-up and with the spots in a 'V' shape. This is supposed to reduce the chances of rolling a 7. Remember, you only want to do this after the come-out roll, when you are shooting for your point number. The 'V' shape is a very convenient way to remember the dice-set, but it is more properly described as holding one combination of either the 6 or 1 on one die facing a 5 or 2 on the other. You are much better off learning the full dice setting technique, which will mean setting the dice quicker, less conspicuously, and with the full range of sets at your disposal for different situations. See Dice Setting for full details.
Books and Seminars on Dice Setting and Rhythm Rolling
There is a small industry that has grown up around teaching controlled crapshooting to the inexperienced player, including whole books and seminars dedicated to explaining the 'secrets' of the Rhythm Rolling technique. All these commercial endeavours (because, of course, they charge a hefty price) are a waste of money. They will blind you with science, showing you mind-boggling, complex graphs and explaining percentages, spurious facts and dubious figures, ad-nauseum. Everything you need to know about dice setting and controlled shooting is explained on the dice-play website. Prove you can do it to yourself and don't take anyone else's advice, opinion or instruction on the subject. One piece of advice often given is, to bet on a shooter who is using the technique, who perhaps takes their time between shots, or who maybe tells you they can control the dice. The truth is, you have no idea whether they can control the dice or not. Practice shooting yourself and when YOU are confident with your own ability then place your money down on the table, but not before.
Money Making Craps Tables
There were in the past some casinos that used Craps tables that had a textured back-lining that didn't cover the bottom inch or so of the rail. The textured rubber lining was short on height. This definitely makes it possible to control the throw and outcome of the dice using the Whip Shotand Greek Shot. Casino's that used such tables were without a doubt cheated by smart unscrupulous Craps players. But casinos got wise to this trick and made sure the backboards where fully covered by the contoured rubber back lining. If you can find a casino Craps table like this today, you are onto something special and have the golden opportunity to make a considerable sum of money.